Grounding Benefits for Women: Better Sleep, Less Inflammation
If you have ever found yourself scrolling in bed at midnight, exhausted but wired, you are not alone. Many women stack magnesium, blue-light blockers, and meditation apps—and still feel like their nervous system never fully powers down.
Grounding, also called earthing, is a low-tech, low-cost practice that connects your body directly to the earth’s surface and may help with inflammation, sleep, pain, and stress—all in ways scientists can actually measure.
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What Grounding Actually Is (And Isn't)
Grounding in this context is not a visualization or a mindfulness metaphor. It is the very literal practice of putting bare skin—usually your feet—in direct contact with the earth's surface: grass, soil, sand, natural stone, or unsealed concrete that is physically connected to the ground.
In research settings, grounding can also be created indoors using conductive mats, mattress pads, or patches that connect to the earth through a grounding rod or properly grounded outlet so your body can exchange electrons with the earth even while you sleep
Two important caveats:
• Grounding is not a magic cure-all or a replacement for medical care.
• The data we have are early and based on small studies, but the pattern is intriguing enough—and the risk low enough for most people—that it has earned a place in many practitioners' toolkits.
The Working Theory: A Giant Battery for Your Biology
Think of the earth as a giant battery with an enormous reservoir of free electrons, and your body as an electrical system sitting on top of it. Your heart, brain, nerves, and muscles run on electrical signals, and all day long you're exposed to inputs—stress, artificial light, inflammation, static charge—that can shift your electrical environment.
When you're grounded, those free electrons from the earth can flow into your body and interact with reactive oxygen species (ROS), often called free radicals. ROS are like tiny chemical sparks your immune system uses to fight infections and clean up damaged tissue; helpful in the short term, but harmful when they linger in excess and drive chronic inflammation.
A review in the Journal of Inflammation Research (available via PubMed Central) describes how grounding appears to supply electrons that help neutralize excess ROS, potentially acting like a "fire extinguisher" for smoldering inflammatory sparks.
Researchers, including Clint Ober and colleagues, have proposed that these electrons may move through the body's connective tissue and fascia—an internal "subway system"—to reach areas of low-grade inflammation.
For women, this matters because chronic low-grade inflammation is linked not only to joint pain, but also to fatigue, brain fog, cardiovascular risk, weight changes, mood shifts, and symptom flares around perimenopause and menopause.
What the Research Actually Shows
The evidence base is still small, but several patterns show up repeatedly across grounding studies.
Inflammation, Wound Healing, and Blood Flow
A 2015 review titled "The effects of grounding (earthing) on inflammation, the immune response, wound healing, and prevention and treatment of chronic inflammatory and autoimmune diseases" pulled together multiple biophysical and clinical studies. The authors reported that grounding was associated with:
• Reductions in markers of inflammation
• Faster wound healing in some experimental models
• Decreased pain in people with chronic conditions
• Changes in blood properties, including reduced red blood cell aggregation (less clumping), which can support healthier blood flow and potentially cardiovascular health
Some of these mechanistic findings—like decreased blood viscosity—have led researchers to suggest that grounding may influence cardiovascular risk factors by improving microcirculation.
Sleep, Cortisol, and Circadian Rhythms
Grounding has also been studied for its impact on sleep and cortisol, the hormone that shapes your stress response and 24-hour day–night rhythm.
In several small trials, participants slept on conductive mattress pads connected to the earth while control groups slept on visually identical but ungrounded pads. Results discussed in the grounding review and in sleep-focused summaries (such as those referenced by the Sleep Foundation) include:
• More normalized daily cortisol patterns: lower cortisol at night and a more appropriate rise in the morning
• Self-reported improvements in sleep quality and feeling more rested
• Reductions in nighttime pain and perceived stress
A 2025 paper titled "The Earth's Role in Circadian Regulation: Grounding to Set Daily Cortisol Pattern" further explores how electrical connection to the earth may help synchronize circadian rhythms and cortisol cycles. While this is emerging work, it supports the idea that grounding could be one of several levers to restore a more natural hormone rhythm.
Pain, Recovery, and Mood
Pilot studies using grounding patches or mats for set periods each day have reported:
• Decreased muscle soreness after exercise
• Reduced perceived pain in chronic conditions
• Improved recovery and mood scores over time
These trials are small and sometimes lack the rigor we'd want in definitive clinical research, but the direction of the findings is consistent: people grounded regularly tend to report less pain and better recovery.
How Grounding Fits Into a Women's Wellness Framework
If you're already working on nutrition, gut health, iron, and sleep, grounding is best viewed as a low-cost, nature-based "supplement" that layers onto what you're already doing—not something that replaces your other care.
Chronic stress, perimenopausal changes, and chronic low-grade inflammation often cluster together in women. Grounding offers a way to:
• Send a clear physical "downshift" signal to your nervous system
• Support healthier cortisol rhythms when combined with light exposure and sleep hygiene
• Potentially reduce the inflammatory background noise that amplifies symptoms like joint pain, anxiety, hot flashes, and night sweats
Because the risk profile is low for most people, many practitioners now include grounding alongside nutrition, movement, and nervous-system regulation strategies, especially for women navigating hormonal transitions.
Practical Ways to Try Grounding
Think of grounding as a five- to fifteen-minute daily practice that doesn't come in a bottle. You're stacking it on top of your existing habits, not overhauling your life.
1. Morning "Coffee in the Grass" (5 Minutes)
If you have access to a small patch of grass, soil, or natural surface, take your morning coffee or tea outside, slip off your shoes, and stand or slowly walk on the ground for about five minutes. Pay attention to the temperature, texture, and moisture—especially that cool morning dew that enhances conductivity.
While many cortisol studies focused on nighttime grounding, combining early morning light with a few minutes barefoot may help signal clearly to your body that the day has started, supporting mood and circadian rhythm.
2. Midday Email Reset (5–10 Minutes)
If you work from home or have any outdoor access, pick one email block or phone call to do grounded. Step onto grass, soil, sand, or unsealed concrete that's in contact with the earth, and let that be your static release moment in the middle of the day.
In clinical trials, people often grounded for 30–40 minutes or slept grounded overnight, but shorter, repeated exposures across the week are a more realistic way to build this into modern life.
3. Sunset Transition Ritual (10 Minutes)
Evenings are where grounding may shine, especially if you're "tired but wired" at night. After dinner and before starting your full nighttime routine, step outside—alone, with your partner, your kids, or your dog—and stand barefoot on the ground for about ten minutes while the light shifts from day to evening.
The sleep and cortisol research suggests that nighttime grounding can help normalize the 24‑hour cortisol curve, making it easier to wind down at night and feel more refreshed in the morning. Some women's health practitioners now recommend evening grounding as part of a supportive toolkit for perimenopause and menopause symptoms like anxiety, hot flashes, and sleep disturbances when combined with other lifestyle strategies.
4. Grounding Mats and Sheets: Optional Tools
If you live in a high-rise or don't have easy access to natural ground, you may be curious about grounding devices. Many of the published studies used conductive mattress pads, sheets, or mats connected to the earth via grounded outlets or rods, and did report changes in sleep, cortisol, pain, and blood markers compared with ungrounded controls.
Sleep education resources summarizing this research note that the evidence for grounding sheets is still limited but suggest potential benefits for sleep and pain based on these small trials. If you try devices, treat them as optional tools and make sure they are set up and grounded according to manufacturer instructions, similar to how participants were connected in research settings.
The most accessible starting point remains completely free: bare feet on actual earth.
How to Run Your Own Grounding Experiment
Because the science is still developing, the most useful question is not "Is this proven for everyone?" but "Does this help my body?" You can answer that by treating grounding as a structured self-experiment.
1. Pick a Time Window
Commit to at least 10–20 minutes of grounding most days of the week for 4–6 weeks, broken up if needed (for example, 5 minutes morning, 5 at lunch, 10 in the evening).
2. Choose Your Method
• Bare feet on grass, sand, soil, or natural stone
• Sitting outside with bare feet on the ground while you read or listen to a podcast
• A properly installed grounding mat or sheet indoors, used as directed
3. Track What Matters to You
Grounding studies measured changes in pain, sleep, cortisol patterns, and mood, but your tracking can be simple. For women, it can be especially helpful to note:
• How quickly you fall asleep and how often you wake at night
• Morning energy, brain fog, and ability to focus
• Joint or muscle pain, particularly if you have inflammatory conditions
• Anxiety or that "buzzing in your chest" feeling of being constantly on edge
• Hot flashes, night sweats, and mood swings if you're in perimenopause or menopause
Grounding is meant to layer onto your existing habits, not replace medications, therapy, or other treatments. In every clinical paper discussed above, grounding was framed as an additional intervention rather than a standalone cure.
Reconnecting with What Your Biology Expects
A core philosophy that runs through the Wild Is Wise conversations—and Sarenova's broader approach to wellness—is simple: what's found in nature is often exactly what our biology is wired to thrive on. We've talked about this in the context of bioavailable vitamins and minerals from whole foods, and how gut health sets the foundation for energy, mood, and hormone balance.
Grounding is another expression of that same idea. For most of human history, our bodies lived in continuous contact with the earth: bare feet, natural surfaces, outdoor living. Only very recently did we start spending our days in insulated buildings, wearing rubber-soled shoes, and staying electrically disconnected from the ground almost 24/7.
The emerging research suggests that reconnecting—even briefly and imperfectly—may help:
• Soothe chronic inflammation
• Support healthier cortisol rhythms
• Improve sleep quality and subjective well-being for some people
Is grounding a magic fix?
No. But it may be one of those small, quiet levers that make everything else you're doing—nutrition, gut support, nervous-system work—more effective, simply by restoring one of the baseline conditions your body evolved to expect.
At some point today, if the weather allows, step outside, take off your shoes, and give yourself five unhurried minutes on real ground.
Notice your breath, your shoulders, your jaw—and if you decide to extend this into a longer experiment, pay attention to how your sleep, pain, and mood respond across your cycle or through your perimenopause transition.
Sometimes the wildest and wisest choice is simply to let your body plug back into the earth it was designed to live on.
💡 Key Takeaways
Grounding is simply putting bare skin (usually feet) directly on real earth.
Research suggests it may reduce inflammation, pain, and improve blood flow.
Sleep & cortisol patterns can improve when you regularly sleep or spend time grounded.
Women’s health—especially perimenopause/menopause—may benefit from grounding as a low‑risk add‑on.
Experiment with 10–20 minutes most days for 4–6 weeks and track sleep, pain, energy, and mood.
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[00:00:00] Chloe: I wanna start today with a feeling, a very, very specific feeling that I think, well, I think everyone listening knows what I'm talking about.
[00:00:08] Max: Oh, I have a feeling I know where this is going.
[00:00:08] Chloe: It's 1130 at night. You are physically exhausted. I mean, your body feels heavy, your eyes are burning, but your brain, your brain is just.
[00:00:19] Running a marathon.
[00:00:20] Max: Ah, yes. The classic, tired but wired.
[00:00:24] Chloe: It's the absolute worst. You're scrolling, you know, doom scrolling. You've maybe taken magnesium, you've got the blue light blocking glasses on.
[00:00:31] Max: Mm-hmm.
[00:00:32] Chloe: But you just cannot power down.
[00:00:34] Max: It really is the modern condition in a nutshell, isn't it? We're overstimulated and at the same time, under rested.
[00:00:40] And our instinct is always to add something.
[00:00:42] Chloe: Exactly. We stack things, A new supplement, a new app.
[00:00:45] Max: We try to buy our way out.
[00:00:46] Chloe: But what if the answer isn't about. Adding something. What if it's about reconnecting with something really, really old? Today we are doing a deep dive into a concept called grounding or sometimes earthing.
[00:00:59] Max: And right off the bat, [00:01:00] before anyone you know, rolls their eyes, let's be super clear about what this is and what it is not.
[00:01:04] Chloe: Please do. Because when I first saw this, I thought, okay, are we talking about a visualization technique? Imagining roots growing out of my feet?
[00:01:12] Max: No. And that is the most important distinction.
[00:01:16] This is not a mental exercise. It's not a mindfulness metaphor. It's
[00:01:20] Chloe: sure
[00:01:20] Max: it's physics. It is the literal physical practice of placing your bare skin in direct contact with the surface of the earth.
[00:01:29] So
[00:01:29] Chloe: touching grass, soil,
[00:01:31] Max: sand, or even unsealed concrete. Yes, direct contact.
[00:01:34] Chloe: So to be really simple for a second.
[00:01:36] We're talking about taking your shoes off and standing outside. That's it.
[00:01:39] Max: That's the mechanism. Yeah. But the mission here is to explore why that simple act might actually change your physiology in measurable ways. We're looking at sources that claim this can affect inflammation, sleep, even pain,
[00:01:52] Chloe: which is a huge claim for something that costs.
[00:01:54] Well, $0.
[00:01:56] Max: It is a huge claim and we have to be responsible here. The data is, it's emerging. We're [00:02:00] talking about smaller studies. This is not a magic cure all, but the patterns are so consistent that practitioners are really starting to pay attention.
[00:02:07] Chloe: Okay, so let's unpack it. If it's not magic, what's the science?
[00:02:11] The source material I read used this great analogy, the earth as a giant battery.
[00:02:17] Max: That's the core concept, yet to think of the planet as this massive reservoir of, of free electrons. The Earth's surface has a natural negative charge
[00:02:28] Chloe: in our bodies. We don't think of them this way, but we're electrical systems, right?
[00:02:32] The heart, the brain,
[00:02:33] Max: which hopefully your heart beats with an electrical signal. Your neurons fire with electricity. We are, you know, walking. Talking circuit boards,
[00:02:41] Chloe: so you have the earth battery and the human circuit board. What happens when they touch?
[00:02:46] Max: Well, think about modern life. We are constantly insulated.
[00:02:50] Rubber sold shoes, synthetic carpets living on the 10th floor of a building. We basically disconnected ourselves from the main power source.
[00:02:57] Chloe: We put a rubber stopper in the port.
[00:02:59] Max: Exactly. [00:03:00] So the theory is when you take off those shoes and touch the earth, there's an electron exchange. Free electrons flow from the ground into your body.
[00:03:06] Chloe: Okay. And what did these electrons do once they're inside?
[00:03:09] Max: This is where it gets really cool. They seem to target something called reactive oxygen species or ROS.
[00:03:15] Chloe: I've heard those called free radicals, right? This is the stuff we're always trying to fight with antioxidants.
[00:03:20] Max: That's them, but they aren't all bad.
[00:03:23] Your immune system uses them like tiny chemical sparks to fight an infection or clean up a. You need them.
[00:03:29] Chloe: They're like the demolition crew.
[00:03:31] Max: Perfect. But you don't want the demo crew sticking around and knocking down healthy walls after the job is done. When they linger. That's chronic inflammation.
[00:03:39] Chloe: And the metaphor from the reading that I loved was that grounding is like a fire extinguisher for those sparks.
[00:03:44] Max: It's a great image. The free electrons from the earth are negatively charged. The free radicals, these ROS are positively charged. They're electron hungry when they meet. They neutralize each other, the fire gets put out.
[00:03:58] Chloe: Okay, that makes chemical sense. [00:04:00] Positive meets negative. But how do electrons from my feet get to my sore shoulder?
[00:04:05] Is there like a wire inside of us?
[00:04:07] Max: That is the million dollar question, right? And that there's a fascinating hypothesis that they travel through the body's connective tissue. The fascia.
[00:04:15] Chloe: The fascia, that's the web-like stuff that holds all our muscles together.
[00:04:19] Max: It is, but we're learning it so much more.
[00:04:22] Think of it less like Saran wrap and more like a. A liquid crystalline semiconductor network.
[00:04:27] Chloe: Whoa. Hang on. A liquid crystalline semiconductor. That sounds like something from a sci-fi movie.
[00:04:32] Max: It does, doesn't it? But it's based on the structure of collagen. It's conductive the source material, called it an internal subway system.
[00:04:40] Since Fascia connects everything, it could be the highway that delivers these electrons, right to where inflammation is smoldering.
[00:04:46] Chloe: That is wild. It's like we have a built-in charging port. We just forgot to use,
[00:04:50] Max: or we blocked it off with sneakers.
[00:04:52] Chloe: So let's talk evidence. You mentioned a 2015 review. What did they actually find in people who did this?
[00:04:57] Max: They found real measurable [00:05:00] changes, reductions in inflammatory markers in blood tests, faster wound healing. But one of the most striking things was about blood viscosity
[00:05:08] Chloe: viscosity. So how thick or sticky the blood is
[00:05:11] Max: exactly. They looked at red blood cells under a microscope. And often they clump together.
[00:05:16] Think of a stack of coins,
[00:05:17] Chloe: which sounds bad, like a traffic jam, sticky ketchup instead of, you know, free flowing red wine.
[00:05:23] Max: Perfect analogy, makes your heart work harder. And what they found was after grounding, sometimes in less than an hour, that clumping was. It was significantly reduced
[00:05:33] Chloe: really just from skin on earth contact.
[00:05:35] Max: Yep. The cells separated. They developed what's called a higher zda potential.
[00:05:40] Chloe: Zda potential. Break that down for me.
[00:05:42] Max: It's basically an electrical charge on the surface of each cell that makes them repel each other. They get more personal space, so instead of sticky stacks, they're all flowing freely.
[00:05:51] Chloe: Less ketchup, more red wine.
[00:05:53] Max: Basically, and that improved microcirculation could explain why people in these studies also reported less pain. [00:06:00] If you clear the traffic jam, the good stuff can get in to heal the tissue.
[00:06:03] Chloe: Okay, this brings me back to my tired, but wired friends. Inflammation is one thing, but if I can't sleep, I don't care about my blood viscosity at 3:00 AM Does this stuff actually help with sleep?
[00:06:14] Max: It seems to, and the research here is really compelling. They did these trials where people slept on conductive mattress pads,
[00:06:21] Chloe: and these were the studies where they tricked them.
[00:06:23] Max: Yes. Blinded setup.
[00:06:25] Chloe: Yeah.
[00:06:25] Max: The gold standard.
[00:06:26] Chloe: Yeah.
[00:06:26] Max: Half the pads were connected to a ground wire. The other half looked identical.
[00:06:31] The wire was a fake.
[00:06:32] Chloe: I love that. So no placebo effect. What happened?
[00:06:35] Max: The results for cortisol were pretty stark. Cortisol, our stress hormone should be high in the morning to wake us up and should bottom out at night.
[00:06:44] Chloe: But the tired but wired profile has that flipped. You're exhausted in the morning and buzzing at night.
[00:06:48] Max: Exactly. A dysregulated curve. And they saw that in the ungrounded group. But the group that was grounded, their cortisol curves normalized. They dropped at night and rose appropriately in the morning.
[00:06:59] Chloe: So it [00:07:00] didn't just lower cortisol it, it retuned the rhythm.
[00:07:03] Max: It normalized the rhythm. That's the key. And the subjective feedback matched people fell asleep faster, woke up less.
[00:07:10] Chloe: There's new research on this too, right? A 2025 paper?
[00:07:13] Max: Yes. Suggesting the earth's electrical field acts as a major. Zeit Gaver, a time giver. Just like sunlight tells our brain, it's daytime. The Earth's connection might be a primary signal telling our body it's nighttime.
[00:07:25] Chloe: So when we're insulated in our houses, we're basically living in a casino.
[00:07:28] No windows, no clocks. Our body loses track of time.
[00:07:32] Max: That's a great way to put it. We're missing one of the fundamental signals.
[00:07:37] Chloe: This makes me think about a specific group. I'm seeing this pop up all over women's health spaces, especially around perimenopause. Why is that connection being made so strongly?
[00:07:48] Max: It's a great question because the symptom clusters for chronic stress and perimenopause, brain fog, joint pain, sleep issues, anxiety, they have a massive overlap with inflammation.
[00:07:59] Chloe: [00:08:00] It's like a background hum of static that just makes everything feel worse
[00:08:03] Max: precisely. Grounding seems to act as a downshift for the nervous system, like noise canceling headphones.
[00:08:09] It helps lower that inflammatory background noise, which can make the specific symptoms like hot flashes or anxiety more manageable.
[00:08:17] Chloe: So it's not a cure, but it turns the volume down on the side
[00:08:19] Max: effects. It's seen as a foundational layer to stack with good nutrition and sleep hygiene. Not a replacement for medical care, but something that helps everything else work better.
[00:08:28] Chloe: Okay. Let's get practical. If someone listening wants to run their own self experiment, how do they do it?
[00:08:33] Max: The good news is you don't need hours. The sources talk about a five to 15 minute daily practice. A micro habit.
[00:08:40] Chloe: I can do that. What are the routines? The first was morning coffee in the grass.
[00:08:43] Max: My favorite.
[00:08:44] You stack two benefits. You get morning light in your eyes to set your circadian rhythm and you get your feet on the ground.
[00:08:50] Chloe: And the morning dew is important,
[00:08:51] Max: right? Yeah. Moisture's a great conductor, so that cool, wet grass is actually creating a stronger connection. It's a sensory experience that has a [00:09:00] biological payoff.
[00:09:01] Chloe: I like that. Okay. What about the midday email reset?
[00:09:04] Max: That's for anyone working from home. Just take one phone call or do one email block standing barefoot outside. It's like hitting a reset button on Workday Risk.
[00:09:12] Chloe: And just to clarify, on surfaces, we said unsealed concrete works. What doesn't work? My asphalt driveway,
[00:09:19] Max: no asphalt is a blocker.
[00:09:21] It's a petroleum product. Wood decks, vinyl flooring, all blockers. You need grass, soil, sand, gravel, or that unsealed concrete.
[00:09:29] Chloe: Good to know. Don't stand on the driveway. Okay, last one. The sunset transition ritual.
[00:09:35] Max: This one is huge for the tired but wired crowd. 10 minutes, right as the day is shifting to evening, it helps signal that cortisol curve to start dropping before your nighttime routine even begins.
[00:09:48] Chloe: It's a physical signal that the workday is over.
[00:09:50] Max: Exactly. It creates a boundary between on mode and off mode.
[00:09:54] Chloe: But what about people in high rises? My balcony is sealed concrete. What are the indoor [00:10:00] options?
[00:10:00] Max: This is where tech can help. There are grounding mats or sheets they plug into the third hole in your electrical outlet.
[00:10:07] The ground port.
[00:10:07] Chloe: Wait, that sounds terrifying. You're not plugging yourself into the electricity,
[00:10:11] Max: huh? No. It sounds scary, but the ground port carries no current. It connects directly to a metal rod buried in the earth outside your building. So the mat is just an extension cord to the earth itself.
[00:10:22] Chloe: Okay, that makes more sense.
[00:10:23] So you can put a mat under your desk.
[00:10:25] Max: You can, but the sources are clear that the gold standard is the real thing. The free version mats are optional tools for when you can't get outside.
[00:10:33] Chloe: So if someone commits to this, say for four to six weeks. What should they track?
[00:10:38] Max: You're not gonna feel your zeta potential change.
[00:10:41] Chloe: Right.
[00:10:41] Max: So track the specifics. How long does it take you to fall asleep? How's the morning brain fog?
[00:10:47] Chloe: Mm.
[00:10:47] Max: The pain levels or just that? That buzzing in the chest. Anxiety feeling.
[00:10:52] Chloe: It's funny, so many of us have just accepted that buzzing is normal.
[00:10:56] Max: We have, and when it lifts, you might not notice it's gone [00:11:00] right away.
[00:11:00] Yeah. You just realize you feel lighter, you have more bandwidth.
[00:11:04] Chloe: Which brings us all back to the big picture. This all points to a huge evolutionary mismatch, doesn't it?
[00:11:10] Max: It's the whole story. For almost all of human history, we were in constant contact with the earth. We walked barefoot, we slept on the ground.
[00:11:17] Our biology evolved, expecting that connection,
[00:11:20] Chloe: and then in the blink of an eye, we invented rubber shoes and insulated houses. We
[00:11:25] Max: cut ourselves off. So grounding isn't really a hack, it's a restoration. It's just giving your body a baseline condition. It evolved to expect,
[00:11:32] Chloe: it's not about being superhuman, it's about getting back to being human.
[00:11:36] Max: Right. In a world that's so digital and disconnected, maybe the most radical thing you can do is just. Touch grass.
[00:11:43] Chloe: So that's our challenge to you listening. Don't just nod along. We want you to test it
[00:11:47] Max: today. Just for five minutes. Go outside, take off your shoes
[00:11:52] Chloe: and just notice. Notice your jaw, your shoulders.
[00:11:55] Notice if that tired, but wired hum changes even just a little [00:12:00] bit.
[00:12:00] Max: The solution might not be in the cloud. It might be right under your feet.
[00:12:03] Chloe: Thanks for diving in with us. We'll see you next time.
[00:12:05] Max: Take care, everyone. Stay grounded.